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  1. Robin
    13 June 2019 @ 9:48 pm

    First.; Great map, really awesome and useful

    Second; A suggestion, as this is a first draw
    You used the 72 mile hex , absolutely understandable for a continent.
    I noticed you did not use a volcanic symbol in the areas which is also understandable.
    Yet also something to keep in mind
    As the region on the east is very volcanic according the older sources
    I used a section of Skothar in my Beholder city location map
    https://www.deviantart.com/6inchnails/art/Skothar-Kargash-beholder-city-734325625
    where these volcanoes are already prominent on the original source (probably by Thibault Sarlat) left
    Maybe a multiple volcano hex would signify this on this map.

    I also noticed the locations of settlements were not placed, and understand this too as the sources may be very conflicting some times

    Thirdly; This map is so awesome, I started immediatly trying to locate where the ruins of the old Blackmoor region are located. As this would be an awesome location of spooky futuristic ruins in a mediaval setting.
    Mage vs Machine Dragon magazine 258 by Bruce R Cordellpages 28-44
    or even better and scarrier Revenge of the Sheens Dragon Magazine 270 also by Bruce R Cordellpages 32 to 38
    Of course readjusted to BCMI D&d but still a spooky Blackmoor remnant of the past.
    You probably understand why this reason is son interesting.

    Last but not least and maybe the weirdest and most difficult question;

    How would you transpose the Blackmoor maps into this area (all settlements as ruins of course, if at all), as DD5 City of Blackmoor was never released, and although suggestions were made of a futurisic map of the region, nothing ever was made public.
    The general terrain is changed over 4000+ years, (I believe the Blackmoor maps are dated 3500BC, 500 years before the disaster GRoF), yet the overall geology would still reflect that of the past, even in such a disaster, a complete change geological is impossible. traces and mountains, relief, coastlnes would still resemble the original ones.
    So how would you proceed??
    I am really curious in this process, as I might give it a take somday

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    • Thorfinn Tait
      19 June 2019 @ 9:59 pm

      Thanks for the great feedback as always, Robin! 🙂

      You’re right about the volcanoes. I avoided adding any because of the scale, but perhaps it would make sense to add a few major volcanoes — it would help break up the mountain ranges a bit visually, too.

      My next revision of this map will probably attempt to add a little more of the detail from Thibault and Francesco’s maps. I feel a little bad that I didn’t manage to incorporate more of their terrain.

      Regarding Blackmoor, my preference is to go with LoZompatore’s work on this, as he has included not only the pre-cataclysmic maps’ details, but also added in the DA series’ Blackmoor maps (as well as Evergrun in the south). His project is still underway right now, so more on this at a later date. 🙂

  2. LoZompatore
    16 June 2019 @ 4:59 am

    Great work! Of course this map of yours will be my reference map of Skothar, as I belong to the minoritary school of those who base their cartography on Mentzer’s map and not on the HW boxed set. 😀
    About map details: have you considered adding some rim/plateau/elevation change on the Tangor Peninsula to highlight the borders of the islands that stood in place of the Peninsula in HW Pre-Cataclysmic Map? Matching Pre-GROF HW and Mentzer maps on Skothar Is quite a challenge but, if It can be of any help, I made and attempt in the initial maps of my article draft about Blackmoor you just read a few data ago.
    About Bellissaria you may check another old article of mine in the Vaults “Thoughts about Bellissarian Maps” which lists other canon sources (I’m pretty sure there Is an old answer of Bruce Heard in Dragon Magazine talking about a missing road in eastern Bellissaria which should be added to the map).

    My two cents! 🙂

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    • Thorfinn Tait
      19 June 2019 @ 9:53 pm

      Let’s hope we can expand that minority in the future. 😀 I really think it’s the way forward for us.

      That’s a great idea, referring to your pre-cataclysm map.

      And thanks — I have your “Thoughts about Bellissarian maps” on the Vaults bookmarked, and in fact listed in the references for this page. I don’t think I’ve touched Bellissaria yet in this map — it’s pretty much just a combination of all the official maps’ versions, with nothing added. But that’s going to change, and I will be sure to refer to your article then.

      Thanks also for the Dragon reference — I’ll have to track that one down.

      All of these are great notes for future reference. Currently I’m still working on B10 and X11 from 1986, but before long I’ll begin 1987 and the Gazetteer era.

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