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  1. Ian Brockbank
    23 January 2022 @ 12:09 am

    It was an embarrassingly long time before I realised that this map was a world map that the Expert map fitted into a tiny corner of. I just thought it was another map, despite the title The Known World and the legend. Mind you, I suppose it didn’t help that the Expert set map section of it was under the staple on the page fold…

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  2. Eric Anondson
    23 January 2022 @ 12:13 am

    The “Mountains” and “Mountain Ridge” at the southern edge of the Great Waste never really make an appearance as such later beyond ignorable hills. I think mountains there would had some nice interest.

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    • Thorfinn Tait
      23 January 2022 @ 12:22 am

      Well remember that those are derived from the Jurassic Earth map, and whoever drew that map clearly decided not to include them on the world map. Since the Time Life book came out in 1983, I think it’s highly unlikely that X4’s Great Waste cartographer had access to either the Jurassic Earth map or the world map at that time.

      In any case, in terms of the maps today, I’d love to add those to the Great Waste. As you say, it would provide some nice detail in an otherwise vast empty desert. They needn’t be as prominent as my markings suggest, either — just some uplands breaking up the monotonous desert would do it.

  3. Travis Henry
    23 January 2022 @ 2:55 am

    As you know, I think the Master Set map lends itself to at least one other reasonable interpretation, in the context of 1985. I realize that you have a valid, systematic vision for the Atlas of Mystara continuity, with a specific end-goal in mind.

    Yet for history’s sake, and for the sake of research, I feel it could be good to mention that the Master Set map includes corner areas which are totally “outside” of the Mollweide projection: those corners of the Master Set map are actually areas of “outer space.”

    So if the Master Set “map” is indeed interpreted as a map of land and water (rather than slices of “outer space”)—which would be a reasonable assumption!–this would necessitate that the Master Set map be interpreted in another way other than Mollweide, namely Equirectangular (a simple grid) or Mercator (as the most common projection for popular world maps in 1985).

    I’m not saying that your approach isn’t reasonable. It has very reasonable parameters. I’m just saying that, in the context of 1985, there were at least two reasonable interpretations. And one of these interpretations (Equirectangular plot) was then used for the HWCS map. So there were later ramifications which could be interesting to explain now.

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    • Thorfinn Tait
      23 January 2022 @ 11:06 am

      I alluded to this already in the article here, although somewhat obliquely. A more comprehensive look at the process of georegistering the Master Set map via the Jurassic Map is a topic for Appendix L: Lining Up Mystara. There will be plenty of space there to cover every aspect of the topic, including everything you mention.

      In terms of maps, my model up until 2018 was essentially what you describe, as I was interpreting the world map as an Equirectangular projection. Those maps are still available for anyone who wishes to use that model.

      However, the main revelation of the Jurassic Earth map was that a projection is mathematically “baked in” to each map, and for Mystara this projection is Mollweide. My logic of applying Equirectangular, while understandable given the presentation of the Master Set map, was flawed. This can be easily verified by looking at the map placed on a globe and seeing the landmasses deformed; in fact, this is precisely what convinced me.

      So I can’t disagree that the Equirectangular approach was reasonable, as it was my own logical conclusion until 2018. But I abandoned that interpretation when I discovered its flaws, and I can’t afford to spend any more time on it.

      Let’s not worry about how this affects the Hollow World Set maps, though — I will deal with that fully when it comes up in Mystara 1990.

  4. LoZompatore
    18 September 2023 @ 7:36 pm

    Totally agree on this, moreover I think the addition of high lands in this region is fitting with the Oltec / Azcan pre-Cataclymic history, with the Oltecs inhabiting “deep forests and sheltering hills” and the Azcans living in “flatlands” (see HW timeline). I guess the extra mountains could be represented with a set of plateaus, possibly not as sttep or continuous as the Atruaghin plateaux.

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